One of the more interesting passages in Pope Francis’s television interview on Sunday was his statement that sins of the flesh are less damaging than “angelic” sins, such as lying or committing fraud.

Speaking to Italian journalist Fabio Fazio on the show Che Tempo Che Fa, Francis said the “most serious sins” are those of which angels are capable.

“Sins of the flesh have less ‘angelicality.’ Sins of gluttony, sexual sins have less ‘angelicality.’ Instead, not taking care of dad and mom, lies, fraud … these have so much ‘angelicality.’ We must be respectful and not put everything in the sins of the flesh,” the pope told Fazio.