When asked whether Francis had turned out to be the kind of pope he thought the Church was getting when he was elected 13 months ago, Pell said that in the pre-conclave meetings, “the cardinals made it clear they wanted improvements in the management of the money here. They wanted the public scandals cleaned up. I was pretty certain that Pope Francis would back that, and he has magnificently.”

But Dolan admitted to being surprised by the Pope’s magnetism. Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio “was a very retiring, behind-the-scenes man. In no way did I think of him as charismatic, someone who would electrify the crowd,” Dolan said. “But that gets back to his simplicity.”

Read more in Michael O’Loughlin’s recap of the panel.

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